May 24, 2022

Gabbing Geek

Your online community for all things geeky.

Civil War II Reading Order

With the release of Civil War II: The Oath, we can finally stick a fork in this event.

I’m a sucker for company wide comic crossovers.  And while I have no plans to blog about every issue of Marvel’s Civil War II or DC’s Rebirth the way that I did with Convergence and Secret Wars, I’m still just crazy enough to put together a reading order for Civil War II.  Why do I do this to myself?

I’ll keep this spoiler free as if you are using a reading order you quite likely would prefer it that way.  Maybe I’ll post a complete listing with spoilers and my reasoning for places things where I do when all is said and done.

Updated: January 26th, 2017

And that, as they say, is that.  With the release yesterday of the one shot Civil War II: The Oath, we can officially put a bow on this long, long dragged out and mostly unsuccessful event.  And in true Civil War II fashion, even this last book is more a set up for the next Captain America-centric event Secret Empire than anything of a real epilogue.

I’ve grown very tired of these major company crossover events, so if you see me even sniffing around the next one you have my permission to slap me around a bit with a large trout.

Titles in bold are new this week.

  1. Totally Awesome Hulk #7
  2. Totally Awesome Hulk #8
  3. Invincible Iron Man #6 [Unofficial, not branded]
  4. Invincible Iron Man #7 [Road To Civil War II]
  5. Invincible Iron Man #8 [Road To Civil War II]
  6. Invincible Iron Man #9 [Road To Civil War II]
  7. Invincible Iron Man #10 [Road To Civil War II]
  8. Invincible Iron Man #11 [Road To Civil War II]
  9. Civil War II #0
  10. Civil War II #1 [Pages 1-4]
  11. Ms. Marvel #7  [Road To Civil War II]
  12. Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #1
  13. Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #2
  14. Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #3
  15. Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #4
  16. Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #5
  17. Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #6
  18. Civil War II #1 [Pages 5-15]
  19. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 [Night Thrasher story]
  20. Civil War II – Gods Of War #1
  21. New Avengers #12
  22. Nova #8 [Pages 1-4]
  23. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 [Damage Control story]
  24. Civil War II #1 [Pages 16-27]
  25. Nova #8 [Pages 5 – 15]
  26. Deadpool #14
  27. Deadpool #15
  28. Deadpool #16
  29. Deadpool #17
  30. Deadpool #18
  31. Spider-Man 2099 #13
  32. Spider-Man 2099 #14
  33. Spider-man 2099 #15
  34. Spider-Man 2099 #16
  35. Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #1
  36. Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #2
  37. Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #3
  38. Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #4
  39. International Iron Man #4
  40. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 [Nick Fury story]
  41. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2 [Nick Fury story]
  42. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3 [Nick Fury story]
  43. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4 [Nick Fury story]
  44. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #5 [Nick Fury story]
  45. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6 [Nick Fury story]
  46. Captain Marvel #6
  47. Spider-Woman #9
  48. All-New Wolverine #8 [Road To Civil War II]
  49. All-New Wolverine #9 [Road To Civil War II]
  50. All-New Wolverine #10
  51. All-New Wolverine #11
  52. All-New Wolverine #12
  53. Civil War II #1 [Pages 28-29]
  54. Ultimates #7  [Road To Civil War II]
  55. Civil War II FCBD [Free Comic Book Day]
  56. Civil War II #1 [Pages 30-41]
  57. Ultimates #8
  58. Patsy Walker aka Hellcat! #8
  59. Power Man and Iron Fist #6
  60. A-Force #8
  61. A-Force #9
  62. A-Force #10
  63. Scarlet Witch #9
  64. Spider-Man #6
  65. Civil War II #2 [Pages 1-12]
  66. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #7
  67. Civil War II #2 [Pages 13-21]
  68. Uncanny Inhumans #11
  69. Uncanny Inhumans #12
  70. Uncanny Inhumans #13
  71. Uncanny Inhumans #14
  72. Invincible Iron Man #12
  73. Invincible Iron Man #13
  74. Captain America: Sam Wilson #10
  75. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2 [War Machine story]
  76. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2 [Giant Man story]
  77. Civil War II – X-Men #1
  78. Civil War II – X-Men #2
  79. Civil War II – X-Men #3
  80. Civil War II – X-Men #4
  81. Captain Marvel #7
  82. Ms. Marvel #8
  83. Ms. Marvel #9
  84. Ms. Marvel #10
  85. Ms. Marvel #11
  86. Captain America: Sam Wilson #11
  87. Captain America: Sam Wilson #12
  88. Captain America: Sam Wilson #13
  89. Civil War II – Kingpin #1
  90. Civil War II – Kingpin #2
  91. Civil War II – Kingpin #3
  92. Civil War II – Kingpin #4
  93. Civil War II – Gods Of War #2
  94. Civil War II – Gods Of War #3
  95. Civil War II – Gods Of War #4
  96. Captain America – Steve Rogers #4
  97. Civil War 2: Choosing Sides #5 [Alpha Flight story]
  98. Civil War 2: Choosing Sides #5 [Colleen Wing story]
  99. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6 [Jessica Jones story]
  100. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6 [White Fox story]
  101. Spider-Man #7
  102. Spider-Man #8 [Pages 1-14]
  103. Civil War II #2 [Page 22]
  104. Civil War II #3
  105. Spider-Man #8 [Pages 15-20]
  106. Nova #8 [Pages 16-20]
  107. Nova #9
  108. Spider-Woman #10
  109. Uncanny Avengers #13
  110. Spider-Woman #11
  111. Uncanny Avengers #14
  112. Uncanny Avengers #15
  113. Uncanny Avengers #16 [Unofficial, not branded]
  114. Uncanny Avengers #17 [Unofficial, not branded]
  115. All-New All-Different Avengers #13
  116. All-New All-Different Avengers #14
  117. All-New All Different Avengers #15
  118. Captain Marvel #8
  119. Power Man and Iron Fist #7
  120. Power Man and Iron Fist #8
  121. Power Man and Iron Fist #9
  122. Mockingbird #6
  123. New Avengers #13
  124. New Avengers #14
  125. New Avengers #15
  126. New Avengers #16
  127. New Avengers #17
  128. Ultimates #9
  129. Squadron Supreme #9
  130. Squadron Supreme #10
  131. Squadron Supreme #11
  132. Squadron Supreme #12
  133. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3 [Kate Bishop story]
  134. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3 [J. Jonah Jameson story]
  135. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4 [Punisher story]
  136. Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4 [Power Pack story]
  137. Guardians of the Galaxy #11
  138. Rocket Racoon and Groot #8
  139. Rocket Racoon and Groot #9
  140. Rocket Racoon and Groot #10
  141. Venom: Space Knight #11
  142. Venom: Space Knight #12
  143. Ultimates #10
  144. Ultimates #11
  145. Civil War II #4 [Pages 1-16]
  146. Captain Marvel #9
  147. Captain Marvel #10
  148. The Accused #1
  149. The Fallen #1
  150. Totally Awesome Hulk #9
  151. Totally Awesome Hulk #10
  152. Totally Awesome Hulk #11
  153. Totally Awesome Hulk #12
  154. Mockingbird #7
  155. Mockingbird #8
  156. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #8
  157. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #9
  158. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #10
  159. Invincible Iron Man #14
  160. Civil War II #4 [Pages 17-22]
  161. Civil War II #5
  162. Civil War II #6 [Pages 1-19]
  163. Guardians of the Galaxy #12
  164. Guardians of the Galaxy #13
  165. Captain America – Steve Rogers #5
  166. Captain America – Steve Rogers #6
  167. Thunderbolts #5
  168. Civil War II #6 [Pages 20-22]
  169. Spider-Man #9
  170. Civil War II #7
  171. Civil War II #8
  172. Spider-Man #10
  173. Ultimates #12
  174. Civil War II: The Oath

This will obviously be a work in progress until such time as the event is completed.  As usual, let me know if I’ve missed anything or have anything out of place.


June 6th: initial post.  Added Invincible Iron Man #6-10, All-New Wolverine #8-9, Civil War II #0, Ms. Marvel #7, Civil War II #1, Ultimates #7, Civil War II FCBD.
Comments: CWII #1 is split after page 29 to squeeze Ultimates #7 and CWII FCBD in.

June 9th: added Civil War II – Gods Of War #1, New Avengers #12, Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #1

June 15th: added Nova #8, International Iron Man #4, Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #1, Civil War II – X-Men #1, Civil War II #2
Comments: Some trickier placements this week.  For example, Nova #8.  The majority of it takes place during the first half of Civil War II #1, but then spans a few weeks, potentially overlapping subsequent issues.

June 25th: added Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1, Ultimates #8, Totally Awesome Hulk #7, Captain America: Sam Wilson #10, Ms. Marvel #8
Comments: Started heading down a dangerous path with this update as I’ve continued to splice up Civil War II #1 to make the tie-ins fit.  (I cut up Civil War II: Choosing Sides #1 as well, but they are short stories anyway.)  I’m trying to keep such practices to a minimum.  We’ll see how it goes.  Nova #8 is another book that is itching at me to split up, but I will leave for now.  If you are interested in only reading your funny books from start to finish, then I’m not sure which is better to do, but find the first or last occurrence of any books that are split in the list and read them at that point.

June 29th: added Deadpool #14, Captain Marvel #6, Uncanny Inhumans #11
Comments: Just two tie-ins this week, as it is the 5th comic week in June and 5th weeks are notoriously light on content.  So we’re lucky we got anything.  Thanks to MP60NY for pointing out that Deadpool #14, while not branded (update: it is branded depending on the copy you get), overlaps greatly with Civil War II #1.  That issue is a couple of weeks old, but is new this week to this list.

July 7th: added Invincible Iron Man 11, Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #2, Spider-Woman #9, Totally Awesome Hulk #8, Civil War II – X-Men #2, Captain America: Sam Wilson #10, Civil War II – Kingpin #1
Comments: 7 tie-ins this week.  For 40+ issues in, there doesn’t seem to be much happening with this event.  I’m still waiting for the glue to bring it all together.  Maybe that happens next week with the release of Civil War II #3 which promises the death of a major character.  As for this weeks batch, some stuff is hard to place exactly as much of it is overlapping and there are only a couple of milestone events so far to center around.  One set of issues I am struggling with are Totally Awesome Hulk #7-8.  The two issues completely flash back to before Civil War II, so they could technically be read first.  I think they sit nicely where they are now as well, as a bit of a break after the end of Civil War II #2.  Uncanny Inhumans #11 could wind up spanning quite a bit of time, but we’ll have to wait and see what happens.

July 15th: added Deadpool #15, Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #2, Civil War II: Choosing Sides #2, Power Man and Iron Fist #6, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #7, Civil War II – Gods Of War #2, Civil War II #3, New Avengers #13
Comments: For this week I finally moved Totally Awesome Hulk #7-8 to the top of the pile. I thought they worked nicely as a flashback after Civil War II #2, but with this update I have spliced up that issue a small bit and that flow doesn’t really work as well. New Avengers #13 is the only book of the bunch that spoils the events of Civil War II #3, so make sure to read the main series first.

July 25th: added Spider-Man #6, All-New Wolverine #10, Patsy Walker aka Hellcat! #8, Nova #9, Ultimates #10, Squadron Supreme #9
Comments: A bit late with the latest update as we are almost on the eve of the next set of books.  The big theme this week is movement.  With the release of All-New Wolverine 10, I shifted issue #8 & #9 down.  Old Man Logan’s appearance in these books as well as appearing at most major events in the main Civil War II books adds some wrinkles to all their placements.  Similarly I moved Nova #8 way further down.  That issue is already screaming for me to split it up as it definitely intertwines with Civil War II #1.  But I moved it because Nova #9 occurs immediately after #8, but also has to occur after Civil War II #3.  Like Old Man Logan, Nova appearing consistently throughout the main Civil War II book as well as Avengers and others, his placement gets tricky.  My spider-sense says Miles Morales is heading down this path as well.

July 28th: added Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #3, Civil War II: Choosing Sides #3, Ms. Marvel #9, Captain Marvel #7, New Avengers #14, Civil War II #4, Totally Awesome Hulk #9
Comments: Another 7 official books/tie-ins this week.  The ones I found most noteworthy from a chronology perspective were:

  • Captain Marvel #7 – this issue clearly takes place after Civil War II #2.  It has a throwaway reference to Civil War II #3 so I wouldn’t argue with you if you thought it should be placed after that.  But the whole story reads like it is pre CWII #3.  And if Captain Marvel is having the debates she is having about Ulysses and his powers in a post CWII #3 world, without making mention of the events during and after that book, that is just ludicrous.  So, I’ve place it just before CWII #3 for now, but feel free to read it just after.  Probably not going to make much of a difference either way unless you are like me.
  • International Iron Man #5 – This issue picks up the story immediately from International Iron Man #4.  If you’ve skipped ahead you might have noticed that International #5 is not in the list.  It is not branded as a Civil War II tie in.  I’d argue that issue 4 shouldn’t have been as well.  It sticks out like a sore thumb in the flow and with regards to the other events surrounding Iron Man during this crossover.  I debated adding International #5 anyway, but left it.  You can read it immediately after #4 if you want some resolution to that story.  Conversely, I’d almost recommend skipping #4 to start with.

August 4th: My excerpt for this update states that this weeks new Civil War II books include “2 of relevance, 2 of interest and 1 that will make you shake your fist.”

Of relevance: A sure to be key event moving forward in the Marvel Universe occurred in Uncanny Inhumans #11.  This weeks releases of Uncanny Inhumans #12 and Invincible Iron Man #12 both follow up on this.  Though their exact placement is a little tricky.  They need to take place after Civil War II #2 and likely before Civil War II #4.

Of interest:  The Civil War II – Kingpin series is removed from the main action of the event, but is an interesting story on the side effects that it is having on crime and how the Kingpin is combating this new “Minority Report” regime.  Squadron Supreme‘s tie in to Civil War has been in passing at best, but the final 3 pages here look to thrust them into a bigger role moving forward.

Shake your fist:  Deadpool #16 is fine as far as Deadpool issues go…but has zero to do with Civil War II.  Nothing, nada, not even a mention of Ulysses or Iron Man or Captain Marvel or anything.  If you are buying this simply because of that Civil War II branding on the front cover, you are likely to be disappointed.  C’mon Marvel, at least try.

August 12th, 2016: added Spider-Man 2099 #13, A-Force #8, Scarlet Witch #9, The Accused #1, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #8 and All-New All-Different Avengers #13

Comments: Half of this weeks 6 tie-ins will be added at or near the end as they tell much of the current story.  The other half need to be slotted in elsewhere.  A-Force #8 clearly takes place after Civil War II #1 and most likely before Civil War II #2.  The other two are a little trickier to place and I based it mostly on my thoughts that “seriously?  Character X didn’t know that happened?”

For Spider-Man 2099 #13, Miguel had never heard of Ulysses nor the potential world ending events of Civil War II #1 (he was in the year 2099 at the time) so I placed it pretty close to the beginning.).  As for Scarlet Witch #9, Wanda is not aware of the events/deaths/injuries from Civil War FCBD, so I placed it shortly after that time period.

August 23rd, 2016: added Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #3, Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #4, Civil War II: Choosing Sides #4, All-New Wolverine #11, Power Man and Iron Fist #7, Civil War II – X-Men #3, Captain America: Sam Wilson #12, Civil War II – Gods Of War #3, Spider-Woman #11, Mockingbird #6, Ultimates #10, The Fallen #1

Comments: Sorry for the delayed update this week as I got distracted by all things 80’s. Such as reading about the marriage of Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson for my Spider-Man Chronology and watching Stranger Things. (Which if you haven’t watched yet, stop reading all these mostly pointless Civil War II tie-ins and make that happen right now!) It didn’t help that when I finally got some time put aside for reading this weeks releases, there were a dozen Civil War II tie-ins! A dozen? A dozen.

As usual I have placed them as best I could. Some are easier than others. I also split Civil War II #4 in half so that I could squeeze in the events of Ultimates #10 which overlap the beginning of that issue. I crammed some stories from around that timeframe in there as well. The timing of events with the split is not fantastic, but better, and the majority of these stories overlap anyway. In many cases when the continuity is not clear I’ll often stick issues from the same title after each other for readability. It’s possible something down the line could result in them being moved.

August 25th, 2016: added Deadpool #17, Captain America – Steve Rogers #4, Captain Marvel #8, New Avengers #15, Venom: Space Knight #11

Ok, I get that some tie-ins are going to be better than others.  And that some are going to be more core to the main story than others.  Take Ultimates #10; overlaps with Civil War II #4 and gives additional back story for the events there.  Captain Marvel #8?  Not as ingrained in the immediate action but as you can imagine with the titular star, some nice perspective on the whole situation and Carol’s viewpoint.  So, those I can live with.

But then you have Captain America: Steve Rogers #4 and Venom: Space Knight #11 which have absolutely nothing to do with Civil War II.  Granted, they do acknowledge the events of the main series and Venom at least uses it as an explanation for his return to Earth.  Unlike Deadpool #17 which is such a money grab by being branded as a Civil War II tie-in that even the intro says that the story has nothing to do with Civil War II.  I found it insulting as a collector and reader.  Thanks Marvel.  (New Avengers #15 is not much better, only mentioning Civil War II in the intro, but that storyline has mainly hinged on a prediction from Ulysses, so I will cut them a little slack.  But just a little.)

September 3rd, 2016: added Spider-Man 2099 #14, Civil War II: Choosing Sides #5, Ms. Marvel #10, Uncanny Avengers #13, Guardians of the Galaxy #11, Rocket Racoon and Groot #8, Spider-Man #7

I had some head scratching over the placement of Guardians of the Galaxy #11 and Rocket Raccoon and Groot #8.  They clearly take place chronologically before Civil War II #4, but placing them there ruins a bit of a big reveal in the main book (as well as plays havoc with Ultimates #10).  I eventually conceded and placed them in chronological order, but if you still want to be surprised, read Civil War II #4 first…though just from my note here…I think you can probably figure out what that reveal is…

In other news, I moved Spider-Man #6 back a bit in the order.  New release Spider-Man #7 takes place after Civil War II #2 and before #3.  Spider-Man #6 was a bit hard to place initially, but based on this, I’ve tried to move it as close as I could to Spider-Man #7, while not going past Civil War II #2.  The Spider-Man and Power Man and Iron Fist issues might have a continuity problem, but we’ll worry about that later.

I’m also seeing the Ulysses Infinite Comic being advertised by Marvel as a “prequel” to Civil War II.  While I’m not sure that makes sense, I may need to move that up a bit, but will leave as is for now.

September 7th, 2016: added Squadron Supreme #11, Invincible Iron Man #13, All-New All-Different Avengers #14

Only three releases this week.  Squadron Supreme #11 which is one of those “really has nothing to do with Civil War 2 but uses a prediction from Ulysses as a central plot point” tie-ins.  Invincible Iron Man #13 which is pretty ingrained into the whole event as far as Iron Man goes (and setting up the post Civil War 2 Iron Man status quo).  And All-New All-Different Avengers #14, which is kind of in-between.  Doesn’t have a lot to do with Civil War 2 directly, but characters respond to the fallout from the events in the main series.

Nothing too tricky for placement this go round.  I moved Scarlet Witch #9 up a bit to get it out of the way of Uncanny Inhumans #11-12, Invincible Iron Man #12-13 and Captain America: Sam Wilson #10 which all flow together pretty nicely.  I also moved All-New All-Different Avengers #13 up a bit to place it right before issue #14, which has a more definitive placement in the timeline.

September 20th, 2016: added Deadpool #18, Spider-man 2099 #15, Civil War II – Amazing Spider-Man #4, A-Force #9, Uncanny Inhumans #13, Civil War II – Gods Of War #4, Spider-Man #8, Uncanny Avengers #14, Mockingbird #7, Rocket Racoon and Groot #9

Last year when I covered all of DC’s Convergence and Marvel’s Secret Wars, I fell notoriously behind on both.  In fairness, I was writing full blurbs/analysis of each book.  In the case of Civil War II I am “only” doing a reading order.  That said, I thought this was going to be my first week that I completely missed an update, but it looks like I will sneak this in just under the wire before tomorrow’s new releases.

Nothing really eventful in this weeks 9 tie-ins (10 if you count Deadpool #18, which really, you shouldn’t).  I had to split up Spider-Man #8 around the events of Civil War II #3.  The way that Civil War II issue is structured makes it a bit of a pain to even attempt to split up and work other issues in and around it.  Conversely you could read Spider-Man #8 as a flashback after Civil War II #3, like you will have to do with Nova #8.  Damn you Nova #8!

I need to keep an eye on Uncanny Inhumans as well.  Those issues continue immediately after each other, but the Invincible Iron Man issues overlap them.

And I think I might have missed Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #5 last week.  Will need to track that down…

September 26th, 2016: added Civil War II: Choosing Sides #6, All-New Wolverine #12, Civil War II – X-Men #4, Power Man and Iron Fist #8, Civil War II #5, Guardians of the Galaxy #12, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #9, Venom: Space Knight #12

…as it turns out, I did miss Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #5 a couple of weeks back, so that joins the list this update.

I also finally caved and split up Nova #8, but in doing so discovered a huge continuity error.  And then I discovered that Civil War II – X-Men #4 seems like it should take place much later than issue one, though they seem to almost follow each other immediately.  And then in trying to figure out what to do with X-Men, I found an issue with Captain Marvel #8.  Oy.  Is this over yet?

I moved a couple of other things around as well.  Moved Power Man and Iron Fist #7 much later and just before issue #8.  And moved two stories from Civil War: Choosing Sides #4 up, since they have no real context and just to snuggle them up with issue #3 and get them out of the way for the bigger hitters later.

I will just leave things as they are for now, perhaps when the other 1,000 tie-ins come out, placement of others will make more sense.  Open to suggestions from anyone if you see anything that seems completely out of wack.

September 30th, 2016: added Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic #6, Ms. Marvel #11, Captain America: Sam Wilson #13, Civil War II – Kingpin #3, Spider-Woman #11, New Avengers #16, Rocket Racoon and Groot #10, Ultimates #11, Captain Marvel #9, Totally Awesome Hulk #10, Captain America – Steve Rogers #5, Thunderbolts #5

With 12 issues, there is a lot going on this week.  And I moved a few things around.

First, I moved the Civil War II – Ulysses Infinite Comic issues way up.  Marvel has been promoting this as a prequel, but nothing about it has really set up it much either way besides it being early in the crossover.  Issue 6 doesn’t say it directly, but seems to strongly imply that it is before the first major event in Civil War II #1, so I moved them there.

I moved Captain Marvel #7 up ahead of the Ms. Marvel issues as those issues change the dynamic of Captain and Ms.’s relationship.  I didn’t move Captain Marvel #8, though it contains an annoying continuity error with regards to Carol, Kamala and Miles Morales.

Ultimates #11 gives a bit more clarity to the placement of Ultimates #10 and I moved them both before Civil War II #4.   While they seem to overlap, CWII #4 talks about Ultimates #10 as a flashback.

October 7th, 2016: added Spider-Man 2099 #16, Squadron Supreme #12, Invincible Iron Man #14

Meet the new boss.  Same as the old boss.

For the second year in a row, Marvel finds themselves in the same situation.  The main book of their mega crossover event has hit numerous delays and added an extra issue.  Unless it hits more delays, the final issue Civil War II #8 is expected in stores on December (!!) 28th.  In the meantime, all the tie-ins are finishing up and  Marvel is “relaunching” their Marvel Now! branding with several new titles beginning this week.  What this means is that we’ll likely see close to three months of Marvel books that have storylines AFTER the conclusion of Civil War II.

We saw the exact same thing last year with Secret Wars.  Though in that case it was even more pronounced as technically before the end of Secret Wars the Marvel Universe no longer existed.  Kind of takes away from the suspense of things when you are reading months of books in the “new” Marvel Universe…while a series continues on leading into a relaunch that has already occurred.

While the stories in the post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe had an 8 month time jump to shield it from the effects of that events conclusion, I don’t think Civil War II has such a thing.  So Marvel is going to have a tougher job on their hands keeping Civil War II spoilers out of their other books.

In fairness to both events, the majority of things have already been spoiled by Marvel through the press and/or in solicits for the relaunch books.  Like, we know something happens to Tony Stark/Iron Man but you’ll have to read issues 6-8 of Civil War II to get the details, even though you know the end result.  I’m not a big fan of that, but as I learned recently from a Mr. Jerry Seinfeld, if you say the same thing twice in a sentence it has to be important, so it is what it is.

October 15th, 2016: added Power Man and Iron Fist #9, Uncanny Avengers #15

It’s a bit odd that a Civil War II Aftermath issue would come out while there are still 3 issues of the main series to come over the next 2.5 months.  But it is what it is.  As Ryan pointed out to me recently, in 6 months or a years time when people are reading this in trade format or hunting down back issues (do people still hunt down back issues?) all the fits and starts and delays will be meaningless.  For future readers sakes, I hope he is right.

What will also seem odd is that I’ve placed the Aftermath issue in question (Uncanny Avengers #15) well, well before the end of Civil War II.  It sort of organically ended up there because UA #13 overlaps with Civil War II #3 and has to be before Spider-Woman #11.  UA #14 appears to be shortly after the last issue and CWII #3.  And UA #15 appears to be shortly after the last issue.  Whether all this will make sense in the end, time will tell.  Especially with UA #16 also a Civil War II Aftermath issue.

October 24th, 2016: added A-Force #10, Uncanny Inhumans #14, Civil War II – Kingpin #4, Mockingbird #8

While the main series is still 3 issues and 2 months away from completion, the various tie-ins continue to finish up.  I also had to juggle a few things around, mainly because of the Mockingbird issues.  First I moved the Power Man and Iron Fist issues up slightly because I need to put them and their Mockingbird appearance before her solo issues instead of after.  Then I had to drop the last two issues of Mockingbird way back.  There is probably now too big a gap between issues #6 and #7 from a storytelling standpoint, but was necessitated from a Civil War II main storyline standpoint.

Also, there is a lot of overlap between Uncanny Inhumans and Invincible Iron Man, but the Inhumans issues run so tightly with their continuity it is difficult to split them apart.

November 1st, 2016: added All-New All Different Avengers #15, New Avengers #17, Totally Awesome Hulk #11, Civil War II #6, Guardians of the Galaxy #13, Captain America – Steve Rogers #6, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #10, Ultimates #12

Yup, Civil War II is still going.  And we have a surprising number of tie-ins still being released.  We have an interesting mix this week.  We of course have the 6th issue of the main series.  We have the books that tie-in somewhat tightly with that book: Guardians of the Galaxy #13 and Captain America: Steve Rogers #6.  There’s also another bunch of really lose tie-ins…and then there’s Ultimates #12, which actually takes place AFTER the conclusion of Civil War II.  It doesn’t seem to be any more spoiler-y with regards to the finale of Civil War II than previous solicits and other series that take place after Civil War II that are already being published.

I’m contemplating moving the Venom: Space Knight issues up around where the Rocket and Groot issues are, but I will leave them for now.  They really don’t tie-in very strongly at all in either case.  There is a passing reference to Ulysses that makes me think it should be before the second half of Civil War II #4, but I also need to see how the non-Civil War II final issue of Venom: Space Knight wrapped up.

November 17th, 2016: added Uncanny Avengers #16 [Unofficial, not branded], Spider-Man #9

In a perfect world where comics come out on time and when they were solicited for, Civil War 2 would thankfully be over.  Unfortunately, we don’t live in a perfect world and still have two issues and over a month of Civil War 2 left to go.  That said, after the big blast of tie-ins on October 26th, there really hasn’t been much of anything Civil War 2 since.

I’ve added Uncanny Avengers #16, which was advertised as a Civil War 2 Aftermath issue, but no longer carries that branding.  I could possibly do the same for Squadron Supreme #13, but that series has been barely a tie-in as it is.  At least Uncanny Avengers picks up direct plot threads from Civil War 2.  I will check on it though.

I checked out the final issue of Venom: Space Knight to see if there were any clues as to the placement of previous issues and there really isn’t.  It is not a Civil War 2 tie-in, but might be of interest since it concludes the storyline covered in the two tie-in issues.  I also decided to move the Venom issues up so that Spider-Man’s appearance makes a little more sense and also because it seemed odd to have those issues potentially after the conclusion of the whole event.

November 24th, 2016: added Civil War II #7, Captain Marvel #10

Well, we’re almost done.  Yesterday saw the release of what was originally planned as the final issue of Civil War II…until they decided (like Secret Wars) to add an extra issue.  Bendis claims he asked for the extra issue to rework the ending.  And I’m sure having an extra month to work on the 22 or so final pages was meet with elation from artist David Marquez.  It will be interesting to see how that final issue plays out, as I found this weeks issue #7 to be incredibly short.  A double sized extravaganza might have been a more satisfying conclusion to this disappointing event.  (That said, I have no idea what the page count of issue #8 will be.)

As mentioned in the last update, I did take the time to do a quick check on Squadron Supreme #13.  It is not a branded crossover issue and the story really has nothing to do with Civil War II (much like the actual branded issues).  It does directly continue the story from those tie-ins, so if that interests you, keep reading immediately after issue #12 (and note the story continues again into issue #14 and likely into issue #15 which is rumoured to be the final issue for the series).  This is a long winded way of me saying that I haven’t included it in this list.

Before all is said and done, if I have the desire, I will try and revisit the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. issues as well.  The majority of issue #10 occurs after the as yet unpublished finale of Civil War II, and all the previous issues run together, but I don’t know how much sense it will make following on the heels of Civil War II #8.

December 5th, 2016: added Totally Awesome Hulk #12

Just one tie-in this week (Totally Awesome Hulk #12) and we are just 23 days (as I write this) from the release of Civil War II #8, so we can finally put this event to bed.  Until next years Thor/Spider-Man/Guardians of the Galaxy crossover extravaganza that is sure to occur.

This week I also checked in on two books that were not Civil War II tie-ins, but just wanted to make sure if they needed to be included.  The first was New Avengers #18.  For the purposes here you can skip it, but after reading the last 5 issues as tie-ins, it’s not a bad little capper to that storyline.  Conversely, Guardians of the Galaxy #14 has nothing at all to do with Civil War II and is a flashback story that appears to take place even before last years Secret Wars.

And I still need to probably move those Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. issues…

December 20th, 2016: added Spider-Man #10, Uncanny Avengers #17

At this point, 95% of the books coming out of the Marvel Universe are occurring in a post Civil War II timeframe.  So we have a pretty good idea of how it ends.  And while we won’t know for sure exactly what happens until next week, Spider-Man #10 seems to do a pretty good job of spoiling it.  If you haven’t already read it, you might want to hold on until after the finale.

I’ve included Uncanny Avengers #17 although it is not an officially branded tie-in.  (Though it was billed as a Civil War II Aftermath issue in solicitations.)  But it’s not without it’s problems.  It does indeed seem odd to place these issues in pretty much the middle of the reading order when they are supposedly in the “Aftermath”.  But I think issue #14 is placed fairly accurately, and #15-17 follow shortly after.  There is one line at the end of #17 that makes you think it might be after the conclusion, but it is not really a spoiler and I can live with it.  If you want, move #15-17 to the end, or skip them entirely.

I’ve also finally moved up the Agents of SHIELD issues.  They were really cluttering up the conclusion.  But as these things usually go, this caused some issues of their own.  The biggest being that issue #10 bounces back and forth between two different timelines.  “Then” which is somewhere during Civil War II and “Now” which is after Civil War II.  Similar to the Uncanny Avengers issues, while you “know” they should be later, they really don’t contain any spoilers so moving them technically out of order is not that big a deal.  And keeps the final arc stories tighter.

December 28th, 2016: added Civil War II #8

Well, it’s finally over.  Thank you Jeebus.  I really need to stop reading these huge crossover events, they are generally unsatisfying.  Maybe if you just read the main series with minimal tie-ins, it might be better.  But as it is, sprawling over 170 issues, many of which have little to no relation or consequence to the main story, Civil War II is a mess.  Granted, last years Secret Wars could be described similarly, but many of those inconsequential tie-ins were little stand alone gems and the main series was much better done and infinitely more interesting.

So go on and pick up your copy of this week’s finale: Civil War II #8.  The majority of which you already know since the Marvel universe has moved on long ago, and while they’ve manage not to spoil some specifics, I think you have a pretty good idea what happens.

And just to milk things that much more, and not allow me to put a bow on this just yet, the end of January sees the release of a Civil War II Aftermath issue called The Oath.  See you then!

%d bloggers like this: